tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post111773285829061105..comments2023-10-06T12:28:48.452-04:00Comments on Spinning Clio: History Carnival #10Marchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1119320668637799682005-06-20T22:24:00.000-04:002005-06-20T22:24:00.000-04:00Many thanks! Flattered to be included here, and en...Many thanks! Flattered to be included here, and encouraged to roam slightly farther afield (though it's always going to come down to archaeologically excavated texts, which are the only way we can know anything, after all...)Jerry A.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08812948018965798765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1119023509973368482005-06-17T11:51:00.000-04:002005-06-17T11:51:00.000-04:00Wow, Marc -- Thanks! In terms of carnival, the id...Wow, Marc -- Thanks! In terms of carnival, the idea os one of the world turned upside down -- think, for example, of the carnival in "Hunchback" Isn't the 'Carnival of the Vanities' kind of a combination of that and the 'Bonfire of the Vanities'? (the Savonarola one, not the one by Tom Wolfe)Another Damned Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05231085915472400163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118935286932334572005-06-16T11:21:00.000-04:002005-06-16T11:21:00.000-04:00Marc, Mr C: thanks for the tip about Read; I hadn'...Marc, Mr C: thanks for the tip about Read; I hadn't heard of him either. Hats off to you historians!deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118925150239880882005-06-16T08:32:00.000-04:002005-06-16T08:32:00.000-04:00Great job Marc! Thanks much for includiing us ove...Great job Marc! Thanks much for includiing us over at OutsideReport.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13295093713962283391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118892498806333042005-06-15T23:28:00.000-04:002005-06-15T23:28:00.000-04:00Honoured. Truly. The fact that you highlighted my ...Honoured. Truly. The fact that you highlighted my brilliant work about old excreta and hot air says enough about me to leave me helpless with laughter. Those posts are some of my personal faves.<BR/><BR/>- baristaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118877346760142462005-06-15T19:15:00.000-04:002005-06-15T19:15:00.000-04:00Nice work! And thank you for the link!Nice work! And thank you for the link!Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04565685995184109429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118877166632416142005-06-15T19:12:00.000-04:002005-06-15T19:12:00.000-04:00Excellent work, Marc, and thanks for saving my ski...Excellent work, Marc, and thanks for saving my skin. Last thing I need is for people to associate me with myself. (I'm kidding, by the way, I'm proud of who I am, even when I write about, er, stuff.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118875593194297482005-06-15T18:46:00.000-04:002005-06-15T18:46:00.000-04:00Callimachus,Yes, I'm familiar with being that type...Callimachus,<BR/>Yes, I'm familiar with being that type of chum.<BR/><BR/>Anon,<BR/>Re: the whole "Carnival" thing. First, it all started "way back" in 2002 with the "<A HREF="http://silflayhraka.com/archives/001460.html" REL="nofollow">Carnival of the Vanities</A>." Why he chose to call it a "carnival", well, ask him. Then, as further proof of the "imitation is the ...flattery" bit, others followed.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118874961281154552005-06-15T18:36:00.000-04:002005-06-15T18:36:00.000-04:00Another Damned...Yep, that's me, and I really like...Another Damned...<BR/>Yep, that's me, and I really like your site. Though I'm technically an "Americanist," my minor is in Medieval and I was allowed to do my Master's Thesis on a medieval topic. (It's in final review). That just goes in line with my particular "non-traditional" pursuit of a history degree. But that's a story for another day...Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118874566241988512005-06-15T18:29:00.000-04:002005-06-15T18:29:00.000-04:00Why do you (and so many others) use the word "carn...Why do you (and so many others) use the word "carnival" for these things? <BR/><BR/>Who started it? Where did it come from? Is there some cultural or literary reference on which the term is supposed to be based?<BR/><BR/>I haven't found any dictionary definition for "carnival" other than the one we all already know. And since there are no rides, games or sideshows here, I'm curious why the word has come to be used in this context.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118871401401785372005-06-15T17:36:00.000-04:002005-06-15T17:36:00.000-04:00Nice work, Marc! (Are you the marc who comes by m...Nice work, Marc! (Are you the marc who comes by my blog sometimes?)Another Damned Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05231085915472400163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118867914426096602005-06-15T16:38:00.000-04:002005-06-15T16:38:00.000-04:00"Chums," lol. I guess that means we'll be tossed o..."Chums," lol. I guess that means we'll be tossed off the back of the same boat, to feed the same sharks.Callimachushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844577727495938357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118866095465516232005-06-15T16:08:00.000-04:002005-06-15T16:08:00.000-04:00Callimachus,Thanks for "clearing" that up! I found...Callimachus,<BR/>Thanks for "clearing" that up! I found an About.com article that confirmed your last fact. Btw, nice to make your acquaintance. Now perhaps we can be "chums"!Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118864402940844302005-06-15T15:40:00.000-04:002005-06-15T15:40:00.000-04:00Congrats on a great looking carnival, and thanks f...Congrats on a great looking carnival, and thanks for the link! I'm looking forward to working my way through these!Caleb McDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07868821086354563705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118863307984635252005-06-15T15:21:00.000-04:002005-06-15T15:21:00.000-04:00Marc, Thanks for the link to my little post!When I...Marc, Thanks for the link to my little post!<BR/><BR/>When I quoted the Frontpage article about Zinn's book, I figured the writers were making the common error of omitting the qualifying adjective "solo" from the sentence "Americans were first in flight, first to fly across the Atlantic." Like Dearieme, I figured they had Lindbergh in mind. But that error was not relevant to their point, or to mine.<BR/><BR/>However, now that I check into this, it gets more complicated than I knew. The British fliers Alcock and Brown made the first non-stop flight across the Atlantic, which I always thought was the first crossing.<BR/><BR/>But according to this article:<BR/><BR/>http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/firstflight.html<BR/><BR/>a man named Albert Read had crossed the Atlantic some weeks before them, west-to-east, stopping at the Azores along the way. Read was an American and a U.S. Navy officer. So it seems that the strict reading of the wording of the Frontpage article does fit the facts.<BR/><BR/>I didn't know that, though, and I'd be half surprised if they knew it, either.Callimachushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15844577727495938357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118859409415485562005-06-15T14:16:00.000-04:002005-06-15T14:16:00.000-04:00No problem, so who did cross first?No problem, so who did cross first?Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118853256784324032005-06-15T12:34:00.000-04:002005-06-15T12:34:00.000-04:00Just a friendly tease: so many Americans are indoc...Just a friendly tease: so many Americans are indoctrinated with the belief that Lindbergh was first across. Not even close; he was the first to cross solo. It comes to something when even historians.....deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118848938591409662005-06-15T11:22:00.000-04:002005-06-15T11:22:00.000-04:00dearieme,Heh, well, Callimachus isn't exactly "my ...dearieme,<BR/>Heh, well, Callimachus isn't exactly "my chum" as I've never corresponded with him/her. S/he's just someone whose post I linked to for the Carnival. (That's not to say I wouln't some day be their "chum" though). As far as the substance of your comment, I'm not up on my aviation history and perhaps I'm being thick, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. If you think there's a factual problem, you should probably bring it up with Callimachus. "I report, you decide." Or something like that.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09263223781051175207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118845804525790162005-06-15T10:30:00.000-04:002005-06-15T10:30:00.000-04:00Your chum Callimachus quotes someone as writing "N...Your chum Callimachus quotes someone as writing "Nowhere do we learn that Americans were ...first to fly across the Atlantic...". Just as well, don't you think?deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118822380834647152005-06-15T03:59:00.000-04:002005-06-15T03:59:00.000-04:00Thanks very much for your efforts, Marc. Great wor...Thanks very much for your efforts, Marc. Great work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8250013.post-1118817034301483532005-06-15T02:30:00.000-04:002005-06-15T02:30:00.000-04:00Great job, Marc. Many thanks.Great job, Marc. Many thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com